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He got out of Dodge and left people behind to pick up the pieces. (A bit dogmatic, huh? Im not trying to do anything but reel in my disappointment in what has been going on at Willow Creek. If we are not to judge, why would there be a list of sins in the Bible, including in the NT, with an admonishment to punish people via church discipline. Willow Creek is its own worst enemy not Satan. @ Bridget: Ephesians 4:2. Or the colleague. This will sound horrible to some but I never understood the overall hug culture. I do not know the answer to this question but red flags are waving up, down and all around this situation. But then . I hope its okay to post. I have said that I do not appreciate victim denigration which is inherent in her supposed expos .Enough is enough. Peter loved Jesus and responded in anger- causing physical harm to Malchus. This is why I have posted the 1 Tim 5 passage in two threads recently: Just read what the Bible says about leaders and ask, Is it even possible that God would set these high standards for elders/overseers/pastors and then only give us promiscuous, abusive, and manipulative leaders?. One comment not allowed. I think Hybels and Billy Graham lost their beliefs somewhere along the way. She claims Bill Hybels brought up the incident in Hawaii about the ambien. Your experience fits my own. 3 comments are deleted. Just to preface: I am a nobody and not a perfect saint. Leaders who are ambassadors for Christ can cause crises of faith when they break the 3rd Commandment Thou shall not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain. How long are you going to allow Satan to control your actions? Have you any clue how prideful this sounds? Hybels has barely spoken anything about his married life and rarely has appeared in the media with his wife. It was humbling for you, but there was nothing inappropriate about Bill trying to guide your whole self as an up and coming leader. Status? Ok. I think I hugged my coworker of ten years when he retired, Paul actually recommends we greet one another with a holy kiss.. Hybels condemned himself. He spent a week capturing one of the biggest aurora borealis shows in recent years. Things are starting to get ugly. Willow Creek has run many many seminars teaching other churches how to impliment the Williow Creek model. I come from a family of Russian immigrants on my fathers side. So Im now wondering. Young people are buying cuddle items. Think of the reaction if this had gone to the media and by passed the elders. This will sound horrible to some but I never understood the overall hug culture. I know this because I have experienced it myself. Why wait until now?? _____________________________________. Is faith journey a synonym for sanctification? Try to respond like Jesus might and you will be let through. I am not surprised at all that it will get ugly There are people that are totaly sold out to seeker sensitive approch. Its all lies doesnt cut it and sounds ridiculous. This was not about a long hug. Bill Hybels touched me, hugged me invited me to his room I left then went to my hotel room and cried.. No wonder you have no qualms about slamming the Church, the bride of Christ. Then Simon Peter, who had a sword, drew it and struck the high priests servant, cutting off his right ear. @ Davis and Natasha: If this very not such a serious matter, their would be some humor in this. Association of Related Churches I mean, it makes for good gossip too. You were a vulnerable target (especially with children) But it should not be celebrated, as Williams and Dummitt directly stated and indirectly did with continuous praises and accolades. Whats being destroyed is the idol worship of Bill Hybels. I worked for a large pharmaceutical firm. I would be ROFL if it didnt mean that there are some folks who have been deceived. We have some good news to give to the world. And it would appear that apparently absolutely no one found the need/necessity of bringing poor pastoral attitude, grave scriptural issues, his response, and certain questionable pastoral behavior before the church as directed by scripture. Enough has been said about BH for him to be disqualified in my book, and given how Williow Creek model was push on much of christainity, we are all well within the commands of the NT to exhibit judgement and wisdom if want, we can start playing the verse naming game if you wish. Why is it people cannot just go to work,college, etc, without the social safety net of artificial group belonging? Is it that tough for you to give Bill Hybels any redeeming value? Jesus healed that man and told Peter to stow it. At this same meeting, Bill was asked about his special arrangement with I.T., where his emails are permanently deleted on a frequent and regular basis. Sounds like at least some of the accusers would like to see justice for sure, but also redemption for even Hybels. The Devil is destroying yet another church. Exactly. I think the safest place for interaction is in public. Maybe Im misinterpreting. Like Jesus, they healed people. The church isnt being destroyed. Willow Creek does not need a *incredible* leader. These things seem like nitpicking until you have more information. I am going to add one further post that will be two pictures and then I will allow all these posts to stay for comment. Lets do church. : Rats gnawing cables in two; Whats wrong with you women? You want to know the lack of leadership moment that really stood out to me in Hybels own words? It has bearing but perhaps not in the way that Jodi intends. Bingo. Gossip! How would I know. AT BEST its the Tu Quoque logical fallacy. Awkwardly I stayed and we talked for about twenty minutes. It legitimately creates automatic suspicion, and potential legal woes. Most of these people have no clue they are in a thought reform situation until they get very far away from it. He then shared unfiltered thoughts about me, describing in great detail specific parts of my body he liked, and said he thought I was effusive, sexy and had great candor, mentioned what a promising leader I was, and he said. The Spirit does the work: both in the calling and in the conversion. Ever. Its what someone mentioned in another thread about 75% of people go along with whatever to be accepted. It means wearing Gods name like a banner (CHRIST-ian Leader) and then doing terribly ungodly things that represent Him poorly. Alcohol made me do it (Perry Nobel) Conferences in exotic locales, entitlement, accolades, a volunteer workforce that actually gives you 10% of their earnings. I have recently become Lutheran. The first half of the book, written by Lynne Hybels, explores the early years of Willow Creek and the personal accounts behind one of this century's most . And it still doesnt negate what Bill Hybels did, even if it were to be true. The issue with that is that its not like the secular world, in which after perps have done their time, they can make a living in their field of avocation (though in the case of fraud perpetrators and/or crimes with victims, future funds may be diverted to said victims). Lets put all our conjecture up about the retracted affair as well. Read Acts 4 and 5. Hybels led many. They wouldnt have been good enough speakers. So sad. Lengthy quotes rarely get read and can be annoying. Oh dear. CHICAGO (RNS) Willow Creek Community Church still grappling with former senior pastor Bill Hybels' history of alleged sexual harassment and abuse of power now . There is really not a comparison to what the two men did. I was extremely uncomfortable with Hybels repeatedly reminding the church he was the one leading the charge to empower women. Brad, for better or worse, you are an example of the average WCC person to me. Hybels was Clintons spiritual advisor. I guess you are not aware of the president for whom Hybels was a spiritual advisor. I highly recommend it, as well as his book, I dont understand the focus by this and other commenters on when did she tell her husband, When I got to his room, Bill had wine opened and waiting. That is a huge red flag. Dee and Brad, have you read my series about Don Hennessys work? Or suddenly you find out 2-3 (and later 7 or more) women have had similar experiences. Do not judge, and you will not be judged. That is a big part of the problem. Never being offended. They need to do some reading. Tell your sister that I am standing with her in spirit and in prayer. In my opinion this is sufficient proof to logically and reasonably conclude that Bill Hybels is guilty of clergy sexual misconduct and adultery, over an extended period of time. It would be very nice if he went to each one of them with other unbiased witnesses, and came to understand how his behavior, even if it was misconstrued, had affected them and apologized it would be nice, but I know that sometime you have to conduct your own healing process, with the help of God of course, and others regardless of the abusers behavior. I dont fault them for that, but its what happens. So much for their Christian wittiness, huh? Nancy Ortberg remains affiliated as a board member and husband John Ortberg a prolific speaker, author and leader continues to return to be a guest speaker at Willow Creek for several years after they left Willow Creek? So, what led to the divorce? Publishers are pulling back for a reason. We were in both places for years and said little or nothing. The woman alleging an affair with Bill said that she was suicidal, both to Leanne and to Bill. I love Diane Langberg. I am thankful for the hard work Bill Hybels and his family have done. He describes how skilled offenders select, set up, groom, offend against, re-groom and then re-offend against the woman/women they target. Boundaries, anyone? memory loss, mental/mood/behavior changes (such as new or worsening depression, abnormal thoughts, thoughts of suicide, hallucinations, confusion, agitation, aggressive behavior, or anxiety).. I have other views about resigning rock star pastors but wont go into it now. Founding and Senior Pastor Bill Hybels preaches during a service at Willow Creek Community Church on Jan. 13, 2018, in South Barrington . Christian vs. Jew You are right, the whole situation smells of cover-up. * Scripture does not discuss it that way. The Spirit works, sometimes over decades, with friends and acquaintances. I hope they will be held accountable and step down. Among the prominent U.S. and Palestinian church voices who spoke was Lynne Hybels, co-founder with her pastor husband Bill of the Chicago area Willow Creek Church, which itself spawned a . 1 comment about arms Brad, given my age, their is a high probability that I was taking college bible class before you were born. in one of those situations. I think thats where you get the people that say reports like this hurt the church. Children The couple has two children. People invest a lot of themselves into their celebrity pastors. This stemmed from a Gospel of Personal Salvation and ONLY Personal Salvation (everything else was All Gonna Burn) where the only thing God would ask on J-Day was How Many Souls Did YOU Save? and the numbers in your sales record would be all that determined your position and rank in Heaven. Only those who walk in darkness need to hide what they are doing. Because your mind tells you this particular man YOU KNOW would never so you must be misjudging. Wow!!! I leave all matters of *who is and who is not a real Christian* In the capable hands of the One who has a higher pay grade. If they were sent and stored in a encrypted format, then you would need the key to open them and read them. I dont have to be a fan of Nancy Ortberg to take her testimony seriously. So sad. Its not a numbers game, its not like worldly sales with rainmakers and marketing and big hits. All the retreats, big brother making sure you attend mid week activities (I know of some megas that were playing around with a card swipe for staff to make sure they were attending services and staying), the need to be cool, your personal assistants doing your clothes shopping, etc, etc. Perhaps after a time. The Kingdom of God is not massive corporate structures and clever corporate game plans. Drawing as much of the world into church as they can, while still appearing to be Christian. Perhaps. No longer have their careers as a result of their actions Remember Bill hybels stepped down. They dont feel like telling anyone, just swallow it and hold it in. As I continued reading the thread, you did not sound at all like the person on Twitter. Just wondering??? * This person really taught the Hybels was like Joseph who was thrown into a pit and sold into slavery. @ dee: @ April Kasper: Really? Its uncomfortable but is it anything really? Many of them rented out old Walmart stores and added satellite campuses with downlinks. In this case, not only Peter but Barnabas and others were getting caught up in inerrant action that impacted Christian fellowship. Its not great for innovation. Why would we expect a follower of Hybels to be different from Hybels? And David C Cook did not remove Tullian Tchividjians books at the time, though when I checked just now, it appears the only one they carry is the biography of Billy Graham for which he wrote the foreword. God is a title. over my many years associated with fundamenatlist through to mainline protestant groups I have experienced things situations, or told things that seemed just downright wrong. If I felt uncomfortable I removed myself from the situation and spoke up. Your comments prove your ignorance and arrogance. Nancy Ortberg remains affiliated as a board member and husband John Ortberg a prolific speaker, author and leader continues to return to be a guest speaker at Willow Creek for several years after they left Willow Creek? What nonsense. It isnt even that hard. In that planning he can do and say things prior to the offence which will give him a get out of jail free card later if his offence gets exposed or the target woman overtly resists his abuse. That is my point. Kind of surprised it was allowed to stand without edit or response. @ truthseeker00: What would you have suggested she tell her husband? Whether anyone associated with any of his accusers is a jerk or not, I fail to see the pointunless, of course, the point is to smear whoever accuses him so that people will think twice before bringing forth any more stories. I mean, it makes for good gossip too. If they are self impressed with the numbers who attend WCC, they have a problem. We can only judge actions. And those who go on to attack the victims are generally clueless as to what the bible actually teaches. I happened to meet the other womans husband, and I suppose the megapastor considered him a type C or D leader and didnt often invite him along. He also told them this parable: Can the blind lead the blind? 2,395 Followers, 144 Following, 415 Posts - See Instagram photos and videos from @lynnehybels The Devil is destroying yet another church. For the whole world-system, based as it is on mens primitive desires, their greedy ambitions and the glamour of all that they think splendid, is not derived from the Father at all, but from the world itself. (1 John 2:16 Phillips), And then theres this: Its a good time to focus on Jesus, not on any leader, which is misguided faith in the first place. You would think that wannabe preacher boys would be warned off of that in seminary. All so sad! "Who will pay for the SBCs abuse reforms over the long term? (My family attended when I was in elementary and middle school.) I can't apologize for his choices, but I do apologize for mine," she explained. I would have probably rolled my eyes at Vonda on stage in 2003 because I despised the commercial entertainment mega world by then. When its someone you respect and trust, you dont expect aberrant behavior and you are surprised by it. That has got to be trans-species perversion right there. Wonder who taught Billy to dress like a leader. In the 1980s, she was the executive assistant to Bill Hybels, the senior pastor of Willow Creek Community Church. People said the same sort of things about us, people sneered at us, shunned us, surely said Whats wrong with this picture just like you did. We still do not know what that really means. The accusations against Hybels come from multiple women, including several former employees who spoke on the record with the Chicago Tribune as a part of a major investigation published in March . God is not in the business of secretly brainwashing and subtly mind controlling people. Many friends of mine wouldnt have been willing to come to church (and eventually come to Christ) without the rock worship band and friendly-to-outsiders sermons. Since 1975, when Lynne & Bill Hybels started Willow Creek Community Church, Lynne has been an active volunteer at the church.For the last fifteen years she has engaged in ministry partnerships in under-resourced communities in Latin America and Africa. Ah, the broad-brush accusation of slamming the Church when actions of their leadership are called into question. Gregory of Nyssa was about as Orthodox as one can get, and yet he was also about as universalist as one can get. (Because it was awkward to say no and why would I think a great man of God I had known for so long would be creepy.) @ dee: Wild!!! This caliber of leaders dont just stay quiet. So your mind overrides your gut. No, the flesh made them do it! Once again, you are doing Satans work not Gods. Hes probably kicking himself for the missed opportunity! I refuse to answer the question How many people have you led to Christ? That question has no place in our discussions. At times I have even wondered if it is not even being used to distract from addressing the root of the problem. I hope you are right about this. Like they say, to each his own. Its not the victim. free. Some will walk away all together from their faith journey. To fellowship with other believers? Its rarely what people are told to believe it is. * It is about power and control and until people in churches get this, they will be waaaaay behind the culture. Yes, I am. How can leadership send an OPINION to the entire congregation? Jesus wins. And people are actually saying Hybels being a champion of women was under false pretenses, for Sex? It is clear to me that God did not want this hidden any longer.. Dee and Deb, if you are able, can you please let Vonda know about my previous comment? Kind of surprised it was allowed to stand without edit or response. If you have to go along with the silliness (never with evil) make sure you are being paid. https://cryingoutforjustice.com/2018/03/01/for-professionals-who-work-in-domesic-abuse-dv/. The church is doing fine. Or they adapted. Wild!!! I suspect (although I dont know for sure) that a hug creates a higher dose of oxytocin. Ummm-not exactly. It never appeared that they were the type of people that would not speak up. Couldnt find it on wayback. They also have two children together, whose name we don't know. When youre the victim of something creepy, such as abuse, suggestive sexual behavior or private narcissistic rage or whatever ugly thing from a pastor who holds himself up as a paragon of virtue, people often feel embarrassed at having been involved in it, even if they had nothing to do with the wrongful actions. Why are you slamming the Bride of Christ? She had no way of knowing of other incidents and we now see why. God is always present, even in the hard and dark times. You can do a lot more damage with one Suggestion in the right place than a dozen Fireballs. So sad. I not only strongly agree, I tend to look back at the whole Church movement, and see a change that began with you guessed it Bill Hybels and Willow Creek. Nothing really bad happened. 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